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Mississauga News - Aug 11, 2009 - Letter by Sebastion Patrizio
The right placeDear Editor: Re: Public question period
This is much ado about nothing. The reason Dorothy Tomiuk and the rest want question period at Council is because Council is televised while committee is not.
In switching question period to committee, nothing has changed except that it’s in its rightful place.
It is not a retrograde step, nor does it diminish a citizen’s participation. It is a step in correcting a wrong. Council meetings are set up to enact the decisions of working committees, not to have people pontificate for the cameras for their 15 minutes of fame. If you truly are interested in questioning and working through issues, then committee is where that should take place, not Council. Committee is where corporate reports are brought forward and discussed and worked through in-depth. This is the place where you want to have the opportunity to effect change through your questions. Once at Council, the reports are basically ratified, thus there’s very little opportunity for change. Your questions will be much more meaningful at committee.
Democracy is about allowing citizens to question their leaders on issues and that’s not changing. Democracy is not about appearing on camera. If your intention is to make Mississauga a better place by questioning councillors, then asking questions at committee still gives you that opportunity. If your true intention is to get on television, then you will not be happy with this change.
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Think About It Aug 14, 2009 5:54 PM
Is Sebastian Patrizio the troll who is pushing all the offensive tabs? The only reason I can't use my official screen name, Wayne Nagy, is some had blocked my regilar account at the Mississauga News?
Uatu Aug 14, 2009 2:14 AM
Important information for Sebastian Patrizio
Muse, you wrote: "Then I tell him his 'great City of ours' noises comply 'with the standards established by the policy' also TRUE." I have to be fair and honest here. Mr. Patrizio, if you want to keep your Committee appointments you should be aware that it is entirely against the corporate culture of the Corporation of the City of Mississauga to follow its own policies. See www.mississaugawatch.ca. You're welcome.
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The Mississauga Muse Aug 14, 2009 1:52 AM
Uatu I just got TWO offensives! HAHAHAHAHA BOY THEY'D *LOVE* MISSISSAUGAWATCH.CA!
Uatu, check out that I originally disagreed with Patrizio then wrote, "(I've filed Freedom of Information on some of those committees)" TRUE.. Then I wrote, "My 'think and say’ are based on evidence secured through Freedom of Information. TRUE. And in response to his “this great City of ours”, I cited the "Corporate Policy “Standard of Behaviour” states "Political Activity: Political Issues: City employees may not publicly state an opinion which is in opposition to an official City position on an issue...While volunteers are not employees of the Corporation, they are also expected to conduct themselves in accordance with the employee standards established by this policy” ALSO TRUE.. Then I tell him his “great City of ours” noises comply “with the standards established by the policy" also TRUE. Yet the total BS “Mississauga prides itself on enhancing its citizens’ quality of life by providing superior services” they don’t find “Offensive”.
Uatu Aug 13, 2009 10:25 PM
I smell a troll
Someone is running around marking the Muse's comments "offensive" for no reason I can see, unless the remarks are embarrassingly true. Perhaps our troll can't tell the difference between "disagree" and "offensive", that wouldn't surprise me.
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The Mississauga Muse Aug 13, 2009 8:48 PM
To the coward responsible for " Offensive 1"
1. Have the balls to identify yourself. (Unless you're female in which case, have the GUTS) 2. I agree that any municipality having a Corporate Gag Order Policy that states, "Political Activity: Political Issues: City employees may not publicly state an opinion which is in opposition to an official City position on an issue" with “While volunteers are not employees of the Corporation, they are also expected to conduct themselves in accordance with the employee standards established by this policy” is OFFENSIVE but what can ya do... It’s all just part of the barfocological, pathocological MISSISSAUGA SYNDROME. Signed, The (Confirmed Freedom of Information except the barfocoligal part. That’s through rigorous observation) Mississauga News
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The Mississauga Muse Aug 12, 2009 2:26 PM
Mr. Patrizio, you wrote, "There are a lot of good people that apply for the many Committee's [sic] in Mississauga and they do good work.”
You continue. “Your disparaging remarks about Committee members is [sic] uncalled for." Disagree. (I've filed Freedom of Information on some of those committees). You wrote, "There have been many great volunteers that have contributed to this great City of ours, no matter what you may think or say." My "think and say" are based on evidence secured through Freedom of Information. As for your “this great City of ours” -Corporate Policy “Standard of Behaviour” states "Political Activity: Political Issues: City employees may not publicly state an opinion which is in opposition to an official City position on an issue." It also states, “While volunteers are not employees of the Corporation, they are also expected to conduct themselves in accordance with the employee standards established by this policy”. Official City position is “THE BEST CITY IN CANADAAAAAA!” Your “great City of ours” noise complies “with the standards established by the policy.”
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SP Aug 12, 2009 12:34 PM
I usually do not respond to these blogs but I felt like I had to this time. The reason I did not mention the Committee is because these are my views, not the Committee's. These are my views as a resident, not a Committee member. There are a lot of good people that apply for the many Committee's in Mississauga and they do good work. Your disparaging remarks about Committee members is uncalled for. These are Volunteers that put in many hours and do not ask anything in return, except the knowledge that they did their part in making the City a better place. There have been many great volunteers that have contributed to this great City of ours, no matter what you may think or say.
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The Mississauga Muse Aug 12, 2009 5:00 AM
Quote, "This is much ado about nothing'" so Mr “Mississauga Canada Day Citizen-Rep” says…
It would've been a great service and lot more transparent to provide context to readers and advise them who-the-heck letter-writer, "Sebastion Patrizio" is. Google shows "Page 1 MINUTES MISSISSAUGA CANADA DAY COMMITTEE THE CORPORATION OF THE CITY OF MISSISSAUGA" membership among others, "Sebastion Patrizio". Trust me. You don't get on ANY of these City committees without demonstrating a willingness to warble the Corporate Line sweet and true in A-major and double-plus harmony. For the record, I wanted PQP in FRONT of the cameras because I believe that what Freedom of Information has revealed about the incompetence, duplicity and abuses of the real UNCanadian Mississauga should be archived on the ROGERS Cable 10 stack of Municipal Council meetings! Pssst, Patrizio, what do YOU know about how City of Mississauga security guards treat youth and minors, Mr. “Mississauga Canada Day Citizen-Rep”?! Hint: bein’ Canadian’s more than just wavin’ a flag and fireworks.
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Uatu Aug 11, 2009 11:16 PM
Why isn't a Council Meeting the right place too?
No one argues that committee meetings shouldn't allow public questions. Indeed, everyone seems to agree that this is a Good Thing. What isn't clear is why Public Question Period at Council meetings has to be "restructured" (as the Mayor would say). Yes, you can still ask questions if you anticipate well enough to put yourself on the agenda. I challenge anyone, however, to anticipate the late agendas and last-minute additions that have happened repeatedly. By sheer coincidence I'm sure, some of these involve items that might be a bit controversial. If Mr. Patrizio has been following along, he'll know that questions at PQP have caused Council to send matters back for reconsideration. Case in point: the farce of a report recently submitted by Corporate Security, which clearly no one on Council had really read until the Muse raised questions at PQP. Suddenly Councillors had questions too, and back it went.
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