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Mississauga News - Oct. 6, 2010 - By John Stewart - jstewart@mississauga.net
Excluded candidates cry foul
Mayoralty debate. Six hopefuls aspiring to the office of Mississauga mayor faced off in the MIRANET Mayoralty Debate,
taped by Rogers Cable 10 and hosted in the University of Toronto Mississauga Council Chambers.
MIRANET secretary Dorothy Tomiuk was the moderator. Staff photo by Rob Beintema
Some of the candidates excluded from last night's ratepayer-sponsored all-candidates' debate for Rogers Community Television are suggesting they were deliberately excluded from the event by organizers.
"MIRANET (Mississauga Residents' Associations' Network) is guilty of blatant discrimination and utterly undemocratic behaviour. It was clear they looked for every excuse to exclude candidates and not just me,” candidate Paul Fromm said in a press release early this morning.
Fromm said that despite his concerns about what he termed extremely restrictive rules for the debate, he tried to accept the conditions, but was unable to reproduce them word-for-word on his computer. He missed the deadline to resubmit them.
"I was denied the right to participate on the basis that the consent did not use their exact language. My text was substantially the same as theirs and the intent was clear,” Fromm said.
Several of the 11 mayoralty candidates who did not accept the rules or whose applications were rejected because they missed the deadline, showed up at the taping of the debate at University of Toronto Mississauga and tried to gain entry. They were all turned away.
Candidate Bryan Hallett said in an email that, "this election has seriously shown the true colors of a non-democracy within Mississauga" and charged that there is, "an absolute bias for the benefit of (incumbent) Mayor Hazel McCallion."
Hallett and Fromm both say that they plan to attend a debate being organized by fellow mayoralty candidate Donald Barber, who also showed up at the debate last night and was asked to leave.
MIRANET Spokesperson Dorothy Tomiuk, who moderated the debate, completely dismissed the accusations from the excluded candidates.
Each of the 17 was treated exactly the same way and the six candidates who went before the cameras last night were those who accepted the "common sense" rules laid down by the group of 10 or so local ratepayer associations, Tomiuk said.
"The candidates were asked to accept the conditions according to the method we set out. We applied it evenly across the board," the Port Credit resident said.
The rules were those that would normally be set out for any debate, requiring candidates to stick to their allotted times, act civilly and not personally attack opponents or give predetermined political messages rather than answering the specific question asked.
Tomiuk said MIRANET has no stake in who wins the election and has been before council many times opposing positions taken by McCallion.
Candidate Peter Orphanos of Streetsville, who participated in last night's debate, termed it "fair in format and questions. I am happy to go to any other debate that is put on by a credible community group or media. However, I will not participate in a debate organized by any one candidate especially if it's based on the fact that the MIRANET debate was unfair."
Former City Councillor Dave Cook, who also took part, said in an email to all his fellow candidates that " I have no intentions of attending a debate that is being organized by a candidate. If you who failed to agree to rules had instead been civil, you would have been included in the TV debate."
Fromm will ask Rogers Television to allow the candidates who were excluded from the debate to have their own air time to state their positions when it is aired.
Last night's debate is to be telecast on Channel 10 Oct. 11, at 5 and 11 p.m., and Oct. 23 at 3 p.m.
Comments by others - 10 - to this web-page at time of posting;
The Mississauga Muse
Oct 7, 2010 9:54 AM
@ Missy2
You wrote, "Your many vulgar descriptions of me indicate a level of creativity requiring much thought." Naaaaaah, not at all. Nipped turd springs immediately to mind. Reminder. I've been researching youth who've run the gauntlet of the likes of you. You wrote, "And all I could muster in return was "wackjob". I apologize that you aren't as important to me as I obviously am to you." You're EXTREMELY important to me. You are who I'm researching --the Roots of Youth Violence. INSTITITUTIONAL LIARS such as yourself. Witness your lie. You wrote, " "And all I could muster in return was "wackjob". Check out your Oct 6 10:09 AM, " "It's that crazy Muse woman at the door again. Daddy she scares me with that grungy old baseball cap and all, please don't answer the door she's weird"...Oh it is to laugh". Like Hazel McCallion who you defend, you're a LIAR and a BULLY. And from all your victims, GO @$#%$#@#$%$#%$% YOURSELF. (Gosh I need to create a macro for this). OMG! Ad of Pat Saito to the right! Talk about a fully-docu
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Uatu
Oct 7, 2010 9:43 AM
@Missy2: Proving me right again
You claimed support for Barber's website was common, so I asked for FIVE links. You posted ONE link to a comment that linked to his website but in NO WAY defended it. Then you referred vaguely to something the Muse said about being a Barberite. NO links and again, NOTHING about the website. Then you took the ConcernedCoward Copout for the "last two" as I predicted. So you actually provided nothing, because YOU LIED. Now you will continue the ConcernedCoward Copout and claim you DID answer my challenge and refuse to provide anything more. That's because you HAVE to since there aren't any comments defending the website, and you know it. LIAR!
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Chakkunny Antu Maprani
maprani
Oct 7, 2010 9:30 AM
Haze's SHADOW Campaign
This election is a democratic process and it has to be fair. We must encourage the participation of every voter (not just the 20%) to vote. Hazel McCallion is running a "unique shadow campaign" with shadow campaign volunteers like members of MIRANET, MBOT and some local media. It's a plain LIE that she doesn't campaign. Shadow campaign method is nothing but cheating on the system and the people; they don't file/disclose the details of their election expenses. www.maprani.ca
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ForTheTruth
Oct 7, 2010 8:10 AM
DESTROYING CREDIBILITY OF ALL OUR COMMENTS EXCHANGE PERSONAL E MAILS ADDRESSES IF NEED NE
Guys, this boad is for comments and opion on articles and Miss News. IT IS NOT FOR PERSONAL ATTACKS AND VULGARITY @#$# WHATEVER YOU INTERPRET IT AS. SUCH POSTINGS DISCREDIT LEGITEMATE ARGUMENT AND PUSH READERS OFF TO BETTER THINGS TO DO THAT READ JUNK Please when you post think first and let important message stay on page one before you attack it and put BS on page one which then moves good content too far down the pages for anyone to take time to search and read. Lets make this site more honourable. If you must give out private e mails to attack one another but NOT HERE please Thanks for reading
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Missy2
Oct 7, 2010 6:50 AM
Muse
Your many vulgar descriptions of me indicate a level of creativity requiring much thought. I appreciate all that time you invested in me, because after all what you think of me is soooo important to me. And all I could muster in return was "wackjob". I apologize that you aren't as important to me as I obviously am to you
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 7, 2010 12:19 AM
@ Missy2, you have simply *got* to be female. A man wouldn't crap out what you just did!
You wrote, "you posted "I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire - Beg to differ..when what you have to say is falsely accusing someone of a substance abuse problem, posting mocking pictures and falsely saying that they "are dying" amongst many other things, you don't have that right" Ahem. Go back and read your comments, dipwad.
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 7, 2010 12:17 AM
@ Missy, I've said it before. I'll say it again.
Donald Barber is INFINITELY preferable to a morally beyond redemption oh-so-empty turd like you. Love, The Mississauga Muse. New topic. Want to discuss the scope, mandate and effectiveness of Mississauga's Audit Committee? And how external auditor, KPMG fits into the scheme of things? Or perhaps the City's three versions of its conflict of interest policy? Or how about Mississauga's conduct/behaviour within Peel Region? Or how about Mississauga's Pockets of Poverty? Or how about the implications of every town and city as selfish and parochial as this City rides up its own @$$$$$$$$$? Or how about evidence-based statistics on the veracity of Mississauga's claims that it's a "caring community"?
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Missy2
Oct 7, 2010 12:13 AM
watcher
you posted "I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire - Beg to differ..when what you have to say is falsely accusing someone of a substance abuse problem, posting mocking pictures and falsely saying that they "are dying" amongst many other things, you don't have that right
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Missy2
Oct 7, 2010 12:04 AM
uatu
Just because you amuse me, I'll indulge a little more. See Watcher link to Barber's site in attached post http://www.mississauga.com/news/article/877982--mayor-challenged-to-tv-debate. Also see Muse's self proclamations to being a "Barberite" and "as God is my witness-a Barberite" But I won't do all the work for you, look up the last 2 yourself after all I know you remember them. Also recall my challenge to you and your ilk to denounce Barber's vile attacks on the mayor and only you took up that challenge. So please, quit the selective memory
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 11:50 PM
Registering for office
To people with brains reading this. $100-200 the City takes from you as a candidate is cheap for the material you get! The DVD voter's list is worth it alone! Receiving the emails to candidates is revealing as well. To see the hoops candidates must leap through. But mostly confirming that politics demands that you be auditory-gifted. Or you get cut in half. Then you meet cretin-cowards who pimp for the Incumbents behind aliases and that's some ride. My experience so far confirms Councillor Nando Iannicca suggesting to a regular chump like me that if they don't like what city hall is doing that you "Run for Office", is like sending a young man with just 10 hours of flight training into a WW1 dogfight. You want to really "get" municipal politics? As in get-get? Register for office. Politics is NOT about providing information to voters so they can reach informed decisions.
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WatcherOIO
Oct 6, 2010 11:49 PM
Words to live by
"I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire -
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Uatu
Oct 6, 2010 11:46 PM
@Missy2
Link to one post defending the web site. No wait, if it's so common you should be able to find five easily. Go right ahead. I predict you'll take the ConcernedCoward defense, but let's see.
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Missy2
Oct 6, 2010 11:27 PM
Uatu
Barber and his views have been defended here by Muse and others, often and ruthlessly, so you need to stop your lies and deceit. If as you say barber has a right to post those views no matter how offensive, then I have a right to call them vile. You need to learn that democracy cuts both ways. By the way how's the campaign going so far fringe candidate
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WatcherOIO
Oct 6, 2010 11:24 PM
Dorothy Tomiuk EXPOSED!!! - 2
NOW you can see the video of the attitude that MIRANET throws in the face of candidates and proof they were out to get rid of candidates. For the first time ever Mississaugans can see the true face of Mississauga politics - right in line with third world methods. See why there is a complaint with the CRTC. At - Fascist Mississauga debate by MIRANET at UofT www.youtube.com/profile?user=watcher0I0#p/u/0/H983kF4iDDg loks like need a stop watch to time how fast comments taken down - got to love election in Mississauga, well my kittens still love me.
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Think About It
Oct 6, 2010 11:18 PM
It gets more odd I'm usually asked to work the Provincial/Federal ballot poles but never on our municipal poles?
It's like we're living in a world of 1950's deceptive game show scandals where the coached contestants win all the prizes then preordaned Peter to walk a way with a $4 million jack pot ?
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 11:12 PM
@ Missy2
You exemplify the City of MYTHissauga. Empty. Soulless. No substance. No there there. Morally beyond Redemption. As for Donald Barber's website, I don't agree with a lot of what he writes. But Freedom of Information CONFIRMS that Barber's more right than wrong. Take a look around. This is CANADA. Even here in MYTHissauga. (although admittedly Canada's border stops at the steps of many an Ontario municipality...) You are evil. You're a coward hiding behind an alias. You're slick putrid. You're MYTHissauga. And I'll add, you're not like I was once voting for Hazel because I believed ---was oblivious. YOU KNOW THE FRAUD RICOCHETING AROUND HERE. You BENEFIT duping resident-victims.
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Uatu
Oct 6, 2010 11:04 PM
@missy2 lies to build yet another strawman
No one, not even Don Barber, has ever actually defended that website here at the Mississauga News. You made that up to attack the Muse. You are a liar. By the way, Don Barber has every right to say whatever he wants on his website, however, no matter what you or anyone else thinks about it. That's what we call "freedom of speech" in Canada. I don't defend anything he's said but I am Canadian so I will defend his right to say it. If he's posted anything libelous, why don't you get ConcernedLiar's crack legal team on it? Oh wait they're busy on ComeOn's case...
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Missy2
Oct 6, 2010 10:55 PM
@ Muse
This from the person who proudly defends vile Barber web site! Hypocrite
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 10:53 PM
Time to save comments, people
Hazel's Hos are active!
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 10:51 PM
@ Missy2
You wrote, "did you really think anyone cared about what you thought?" Clearly you do, CREEP. @!#$#$@$#%$#%$#@%$#% OFF.
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 10:50 PM
@ Everybody
Missy2 wrote, ""It's that crazy Muse woman at the door again. Daddy she scares me with that grungy old baseball cap and all, please don't answer the door she's weird"...Oh it is to laugh" This is the same mentality --the same evil, who judge others by their clothing, skin colour instead of the content of their thoughts . Missy2 springs from the same vile immoral **** as the person who responded to the video of Mayoral Candidate, Rajit Chahal with "FUCKING PAKI YOU? WILL NEVER BE MAYOR, I WILL GET EVERYONE TO VOTE AGAINST YOU" Here. Take a look. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmN8-i8nVo And yes. I approved the comment. Because people need to see MYTHissauga's HATE! (Hit "Offensive". No problem. It's comin' back)
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Uatu
Oct 6, 2010 10:49 PM
@missy2
You fools are in a fantasyland, did you really think anyone cared about what you thought? You're like the weird neighbour that no one wants at the dinner party. "It's that crazy missy2 at the door again. Daddy that silly little pinhead scares me, please don't answer the door missy2 is too weird"...Oh it is to laugh.
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Missy2
Oct 6, 2010 10:48 PM
@ Muse
See, you prove me right, you are the creepy neighbour. And with respect to your comment to me "GO @#@#$%$%$%$%!@%@#@!#% YOURSELF" I'm not interested, but I hear that's your area of expertise
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 10:44 PM
@ Missy2
You wrote, "You fools are in a fantasyland, did you really think anyone cared about what you thought? You're like the weird neighbour that no one wants at the dinner party. "It's that crazy Muse woman at the door again. Daddy she scares me with that grungy old baseball cap and all, please don't answer the door she's weird"...Oh it is to laugh" GO @#@#$%$%$%$%!@%@#@!#% YOURSELF, COWARD!
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WatcherOIO
Oct 6, 2010 10:40 PM
Speed record
Posted about MIEANET and right away it marked Offensive - WOW
WatcherOIO
Oct 6, 2010 10:36 PM
Dorothy Tomiuk EXPOSED!!!
NOW you can see the video of the attitude that MIRANET throws in the face of candidates and proof they were out to get rid of candidates. For the first time ever Mississaugans can see the true face of Mississauga politics - right in line with third world methods. See why there is a complaint with the CRTC. At - Fascist Mississauga debate by MIRANET at UofT www.youtube.com/profile?user=watcher0I0
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ForTheTruth
Oct 6, 2010 10:18 PM
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW
Mayoral rivals gang up on McCallion” National Post Oct.6 http://www.nationalpost.com/Mayoral rivals gang McCallion/3629364/story.html McCallion said "I will continue as I have in the past to put Mississauga first," unless Peter gets in the way. How pathetic it is that so many will believe what she says and not even have a clue, as the inquiry has proven, about what she has done.
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Missy2
Oct 6, 2010 10:09 PM
To the wackjob candidates Muse Barber, Fromm, child actor boy et al
You fools are in a fantasyland, did you really think anyone cared about what you thought? You're like the weird neighbour that no one wants at the dinner party. "It's that crazy Muse woman at the door again. Daddy she scares me with that grungy old baseball cap and all, please don't answer the door she's weird"...Oh it is to laugh
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 9:06 PM
@ Therese, sorry but I clicked "Disagree", friend.
There *is* no chance. None. But you fight anyway because that's all ya got. I keep telling you. The youth who write me are right. The System is corrupt there is no way to fix it. And so bad, Therese, that I don't even believe my own, "extend the investigative authority of the Ontario Ombudsman to include municipalities". Addresses nothing. Extend the authority. Then appoint a limp ****. I know just about all the tricks. The perversions. Perfected right here. In MYTHissauga.
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 8:57 PM
@ Therese, sorry but I'm the one who's been documenting the City since June 2006
From A (Audit Committee meetings) to Z (Zero Tolerance Policy). You have white-collar crime masquerading as government. And $$$affluent$$$ influential south-QEW ratepayers' associations organized to (cut-and-paste) "work collectively in a positive and constructive manner with the City". Cripes, I just looked at their website! Money's happenin' there!
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Therese Taylor
Oct 6, 2010 8:33 PM
@Muse We're on the same side. We have to believe it can happen.
Otherwise, there's no chance.
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Therese Taylor
Oct 6, 2010 8:32 PM
Amazing. I guess miracles are offensive to some.
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 8:31 PM
@ Therese
You wrote, "I know it would be a miracle. But sometimes they do happen!" Won't happen here. Some cities can boast the most millionaires. Or the most philanthropists. Mississauga --the most LIES.
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Therese Taylor
Oct 6, 2010 8:04 PM
“Mayoral rivals gang up on McCallion” National Post Oct.6
http://www.nationalpost.com/Mayoral rivals gang McCallion/3629364/story.html McCallion said "I will continue as I have in the past to put Mississauga first," unless Peter gets in the way. How pathetic it is that so many will believe what she says and not even have a clue, as the inquiry has proven, about what she has done. What continues to gall me is the repetition of the mantra that McCallion, is “guaranteed another landslide victory on Oct. 25…” Think about this. No one expected the federal Conservatives to lose like they did in 1993. The party was left with two seats in the house of commons. I know it would be a miracle. But sometimes they do happen!
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 7:43 PM
Tomiuk versus the Truth (the National Post now pipes in)
More proof that MIRANET/Tomiuk were blowin' out their @SSeS about following rules! Tomiuk (above), "'The candidates were asked to accept the conditions according to the method we set out. We applied it evenly across the board,' the Port Credit resident said." Globe and Mail, Adrian Morrow. Quote, "Ms. McCallion, for her part, showed her easy confidence and charisma, speaking without notes and frequently going over her allotted time while moderators tried unsuccessfully to get her to stick to the time constraints." And now National Post, "Drawing upon her intimate knowledge of council’s operations, she answered questions easily — frequently speaking past her allotted time to earn warning bells — and enthused at the end about an 'exciting' race." We aren't a city. We are a PATHOLOGY!
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 8:31 PM
@ Therese
You wrote, "I know it would be a miracle. But sometimes they do happen!" Won't happen here. Some cities can boast the most millionaires. Or the most philanthropists. Mississauga --the most LIES.
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Therese Taylor
Oct 6, 2010 8:04 PM
“Mayoral rivals gang up on McCallion” National Post Oct.6
http://www.nationalpost.com/Mayoral rivals gang McCallion/3629364/story.html McCallion said "I will continue as I have in the past to put Mississauga first," unless Peter gets in the way. How pathetic it is that so many will believe what she says and not even have a clue, as the inquiry has proven, about what she has done. What continues to gall me is the repetition of the mantra that McCallion, is “guaranteed another landslide victory on Oct. 25…” Think about this. No one expected the federal Conservatives to lose like they did in 1993. The party was left with two seats in the house of commons. I know it would be a miracle. But sometimes they do happen!
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 7:43 PM
Tomiuk versus the Truth (the National Post now pipes in)
More proof that MIRANET/Tomiuk were blowin' out their @SSeS about following rules! Tomiuk (above), "'The candidates were asked to accept the conditions according to the method we set out. We applied it evenly across the board,' the Port Credit resident said." Globe and Mail, Adrian Morrow. Quote, "Ms. McCallion, for her part, showed her easy confidence and charisma, speaking without notes and frequently going over her allotted time while moderators tried unsuccessfully to get her to stick to the time constraints." And now National Post, "Drawing upon her intimate knowledge of council’s operations, she answered questions easily — frequently speaking past her allotted time to earn warning bells — and enthused at the end about an 'exciting' race." We aren't a city. We are a PATHOLOGY!
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Fyrespirit
Oct 6, 2010 1:57 PM
Where does a proud Mississaugan go to ask questions of a candidate?
I agree Muse, it is obvious that the moderator did not have the courage to cut off McCallion for going over time as any unbiased moderator would have done. So where is the equity in the process. I am very annoyed when Mississauga News, Toronto Star and National Post do not provide equitable coverage of the candidates. I for one do not want any Hazel cronies in sheep's clothing to play me for a fool. Wait a minute...isn't that what the Toronto Star reports said all Mississaugans were? So I guess we would make their words true if we elect more of the same putrid stuff no matter shape and form. I am yet to hear any thing of value from Winter, Cook and Orphanos other than thanks to the Mayor, bike lanes and a load of "I did this when I worked for Hazel..." I want more debates where community gets to ask questions.
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The Mississauga Muse
Oct 6, 2010 1:01 PM
Tomiuk versus the Truth
@ ForTheTruth. Thanks for that Globe and Mail article. Proves MIRANET/Tomiuk was blowin' out their @SSeS about following rules! Tomiuk (above), "'The candidates were asked to accept the conditions according to the method we set out. We applied it evenly across the board,' the Port Credit resident said." Globe and Mail, Adrian Morrow. Quote, "Ms. McCallion, for her part, showed her easy confidence and charisma, speaking without notes and frequently going over her allotted time while moderators tried unsuccessfully to get her to stick to the time constraints."
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